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	<title>Comments on: Helmuth Hübener</title>
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	<description>Ooooh, Aaah.  That comes first.  Then later there's running and screaming.</description>
	<pubDate>Sat, 11 Oct 2008 03:14:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: its_Chet</title>
		<link>http://www.johnsenclan.com/wordpress/2008/01/19/helmuth-hubener/#comment-1975</link>
		<dc:creator>its_Chet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 22:05:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe the letter of the law should never repress the spirit of the law.  When, on the extremely rare occasion, I see a conflict between the two, I choose the spirit of the law.

Brother Hubener was correct.  He had done nothing wrong.  His "excommunication" is what happens when people get really, really scared and feel they need to cover themselves or disassociate themselves from that which will attract unwanted attention.  Peter did the same thing once.  I suspect those who criticized Brother Hubener probably feel the same way about their criticisms that Peter felt about his denials of our Savior.

note for those unfamiliar with mormonspeak:

A Branch President is a local ecclesiastical authority, answerable to regional authorities of different levels, with the chain of earthly command eventually leading to the Prophet.  Excommunication means having your membership revoked in the Church in records in both this world and the next.  The primary purpose of this is for the welfare of the Church's members, to limit or nullify the influence one might have on them who teaches or promotes doctrines that are at variance with the laws of God.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe the letter of the law should never repress the spirit of the law.  When, on the extremely rare occasion, I see a conflict between the two, I choose the spirit of the law.</p>
<p>Brother Hubener was correct.  He had done nothing wrong.  His &#8220;excommunication&#8221; is what happens when people get really, really scared and feel they need to cover themselves or disassociate themselves from that which will attract unwanted attention.  Peter did the same thing once.  I suspect those who criticized Brother Hubener probably feel the same way about their criticisms that Peter felt about his denials of our Savior.</p>
<p>note for those unfamiliar with mormonspeak:</p>
<p>A Branch President is a local ecclesiastical authority, answerable to regional authorities of different levels, with the chain of earthly command eventually leading to the Prophet.  Excommunication means having your membership revoked in the Church in records in both this world and the next.  The primary purpose of this is for the welfare of the Church&#8217;s members, to limit or nullify the influence one might have on them who teaches or promotes doctrines that are at variance with the laws of God.</p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer</title>
		<link>http://www.johnsenclan.com/wordpress/2008/01/19/helmuth-hubener/#comment-1403</link>
		<dc:creator>Jennifer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2008 03:30:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read the Three Against Hitler book last year and was amazed at the courage he and his friends had in standing up for what they thought was right.  I guess it could be a spirit of the law vs. the letter of the law conflict.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read the Three Against Hitler book last year and was amazed at the courage he and his friends had in standing up for what they thought was right.  I guess it could be a spirit of the law vs. the letter of the law conflict.</p>
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		<title>By: Johnsenclan &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Translation</title>
		<link>http://www.johnsenclan.com/wordpress/2008/01/19/helmuth-hubener/#comment-1400</link>
		<dc:creator>Johnsenclan &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Translation</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jan 2008 17:58:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] commenter asked me to translate my Helmuth Hübener post for readers who aren&#8217;t Mormon.  I&#8217;ll comment some translation and post it [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] commenter asked me to translate my Helmuth Hübener post for readers who aren&#8217;t Mormon.  I&#8217;ll comment some translation and post it [...]</p>
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		<title>By: sherlock</title>
		<link>http://www.johnsenclan.com/wordpress/2008/01/19/helmuth-hubener/#comment-1398</link>
		<dc:creator>sherlock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jan 2008 17:47:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Um, would you mind explaining some of this for those of us that aren't mormon?  Is excommunicated getting kicked out?  Is a bracnh president the leader of your church?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Um, would you mind explaining some of this for those of us that aren&#8217;t mormon?  Is excommunicated getting kicked out?  Is a bracnh president the leader of your church?</p>
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